and enthen i interviewed -- and then i interviewed years later angela davis, and she said, oh, i loved gonet, he was such a gender bender. i loved the moment he danced for the panthers in his pink negatively jay. and so then i had two sources for this story even though it contradicted everything i knew about him. and it didn't fit into my scheme for him. and so if i've imposed my scheme on him, on the facts, we wouldn't know the truth. >> but i read your biography of gonet, and i thought it was a great novel. [laughter] i consistent being excite -- kept being excited about what would happen next. it's shaped like a novel. it's got a rise and a fall, it's very dramatic. and, you know, is -- life is not like that, you know? >> but no one is saying the biography isn't shaped and isn't narrative. and if ed's biography starts to become a novel, that's your way of complimenting him, and that it's wonderful. that means the biographer has at his or her disposal narrative devices of the novel. there are all kinds of ways you can use timing and pacing and characterization and setting and all the